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Let’s talk about the money………..
I’m not in the adult affiliate game, and it’s very unlikely i will ever be, i always wondered what is acceptable or let’s say good income for affiliate for particular website? I see sometimes affiliates talking about good converting websites(not necessarily on this board) , and then people coming up with 200 dollars or so, i realise 200 multiplied by number of website will generate healthy income anyways…….
I know people don’t like to post the digits however won’t hurt to ask.
So what would you consider good annual profit from promoting the website and I’m not talking about the conversion rate – good hard dollar?
I don’t think you’re going to get any hard numbers, and it really does all depend on the work people put into their sites, the size of their audience, their investment and so on.
I would say that as a general rule a blog or site based on affiliate sales, with three unique posts a day of 200 words or more, will be paying for itself within two months and you’ll be making a profit after that if you keep it going, increasing that profit over time.
But that also depends on how long it takes you to create the three posts per day, and whether you think the money you’re earning for that posting is good. I would say after maybe 6 months you should be earning a good living for those hours of work, reducing the time it takes you while increasing the amount of money you’re making.
That’s when someone would spend another hour a day investigating another niche and starting another blog…
I know that doesn’t help, but I just wanted to point out that from my experience being an affiliate is a proper business requiring a little work, and not a “get rich quick” plan – but it does pay-off in the long run if you keep at it. The more work you put in, and the more regimented your business plan is, the more money you will make IMO.
The amount you make on promoting a site entirely depends on how much traffic/visitors you can send. If you send 10 visitors a site you’re not going to make any money, but if you send 10 million visitors you’ll make a lot of money.
$$$ per Unique = Total amount commission divided by total amount of unique visitors sent to a site or sponsor, which gives a value in Cents/Dollars. A very good sponsor I expect to see a return of at least $0.10 per unique visitor I send, a “bad” sponsor I get $0.01 or $0.02.
For example, if I send 10,000 visitors to your site and made $1000 in commission that means $$$ per Unique is $0.10.
It’s what I’ve always used to compare how well a site perform. It’s very simple and very accurate as long as you use higher volumes of traffic but pointless measurement to use on smaller amounts.
Not sure if you want to know about the income from one affiliate site or the income affiliates earn from one sponsor site.
Not a single affiliate earns his income from promoting just one sponsor site. Most affiliates promote dozens or even hundreds of sites. The total income is what’s important in the end. There are sponsor sites that make me $100 per year and there are sites that make me thousands of dollars a year. All these amounts together make a yearly income.
@DavidLee,
I’m assuming that, judgment if the site converting well or not, amount of work you putted for promoting it have impact as well. Or will you judge on amount of send traffic only.
For example …….you writing blog posts, reviews, for doing all that hard work you expect decent amount of return, as you said – 0.10 = good affiliate.
Other example you run big tube site where sponsors submitting videos(like queer pixels)as affiliate you virtually doing nothing, of course apart from providing the platform and making sure your tube site is well ranked for decent amount of traffic – in this situation do you judge the sponsor in the same criteria’s as above?
My sponsor report is a mix of traffic that includes reviews, blogs and tube traffic.
Not sure how much work you do is relevant. Of course the type of traffic affects ratios, for example reviews have much better ratios than tube videos. But in the end it’s volume that really matter, the more traffic you have the more sales you will make. And tube sites have the largest amount traffic which makes up for the bad sales ratios they have. On the flip side of that, running tube sites is a delicate balance between high cost and low sales ratios.
I think what you’re trying to get at is the amount of “effort” should have an impact on how much you make. It doesn’t work like that. It might seem like there is more “work” put into some types of affiliate marketing than others but it’s not as simple as that.
It might also seem like some types of affiliate marketing is easier than others but it’s often not the case. Large scale tube sites requires a lot of work, from editing, uploading videos, doing screenshots and writing video titles to maintaining expensive infrastructure and huge bandwidth costs. And it’s not a matter of just making sure it ranks well, if you create a new site today it’s unlikely it will ever rank high and have much traffic. Just to put it all in perspective, the tube sites roughly accounts for 2/3 of all costs but generate only 1/4 of all sales.
I’m not quite sure if you’re asking how much an affiliate make off their site (their blog, their tube site) or off sponsor sites. I’ll answer the 2nd question…
I’ll start by saying I’m not happy with how much I’m earning right now… I’d like the overall revenue per site numbers below to be double what they are, but they are what they are… If I could push more traffic to the sponsors I could make more money…
There are a couple couple sponsor sites that make me in the range of $10K-$15K/year (promoted across several of my sites). Those sites consistently make 15-40 cents per click. Then there are a few more that make $5K-10K/year for me. Then there’s a whole bunch that make between $1K-$5K. At that level you’re typically looking at 6 to 12 cents per click. And then there’s a bunch more that make between $500-$1K – often that’s where I’ll find a diamond in the rough with great potential that I need to promote more before it becomes over exposed. And then there are tons of lame sites that make less than $500/year – typically they’re ones I tried in the past that I can’t be bothered to promote anymore, but still make a little money. Or they’re ones I like personally, but are just bad performers.
I’ve got a over 100 sponsors and each of those sponsors typically have more than one site. So there are a lot of little sites that all make money for me. If a site makes at least $1K/year for me I take it seriously. But clearly one that makes $13K/year will get more attention and respect than one that’s making $1300/year.
From an my perspective I see some sponsors that have multiple top performing sites, and then I see sponsors that have a bunch of sites that largely under perform – maybe one or two will get on my radar. Sorry, but there’s a hierarchy among sponsors – you can be incredibly nice and have the best, most responsive affiliate reps, but if your sites don’t perform you’re not really doing your job properly. [Then there’s that one fuck up sponsors with a great brand that can’t help but sell… It’s always difficult to know how to handle them.] Luckily my best sponsor (who has multiple top performing sites) also happens to be my best friend.
And that is exactly what i was asking for, however is great hearing from the other guys about how they evaluating sponsors and working out conversions.
I’m sure there is a lot of “read only” members on this board who are thinking about getting in affiliate game hoping to make quick buck, this should give them some idea that this is not easy and quick way how to make money.
I think there are two types of affiliates:
1) full time affiliates. They live by blogging, like most webmasters on this board.
2) part time affiliates. Blogging for fun and extra bucks, like me (I spend avg. 2-3 hours a day on blogging).No matter you’re a f/t or p/t affiliate, the income depends on three things:
1) quality content.
2) traffic you send to sponsors.
3) frequent update
No.2 is most important. No.1 and No 3 help to boost No.2Affiliate game is definitely not an easy way to make fast money. It takes time (years) to build up your followers.
And it also takes a lot of energy to polish your site in every details.For those “read only” members who wanna join this game, you can start blogging as a part time hobby as what I do.
I am pretty sure you’ll know whether you should continue this game or not after one year.
And you have no pressure, you won’t lose anything but time. IMHO
If you’re a hobbyist webmaster, you should probably find a new hobby. You’re probably not able to spend the time figuring out what sells, how to sell it, and building traffic. The affiliate game is very quickly becoming a big player scenario. If you’re not working at this full time, you likely just continue falling at the bottom of the heap.
If you love doing it, fine, who am I to tell you to stop? But seriously, we see so many people coming through here with dollar signs in their eyes, then they quit after a few months and we have another property up on the Web collecting dust. You aren’t going to make any money in adult anymore unless you work pretty hard. Gone are the Mancheck days when you could put up three pictures and say “Buy this” and make $10,000 or more a month. God I miss those days, plus the Canadian dollar was trading at $1.43, it was like Christmas every time you cashed a cheque.
If you’re looking to get into the affiliate game and want to make any kind of money that isn’t just beer money, expect to work long, hard hours and expect it to take a long time to build up traffic.
